A Generic Example

Here are some example, generic pics illustrating the scenario in today's Bell of Lost Souls article.  I made the decision to use the actual example from my game at Da Boyz because I thought it illustrated the emotional impact something like this could actually have.

Top of 2: Opponent shoots and charges, destroying the Daemon and the 'Bearers.

After combat is resolved, it becomes apparent he intended to launch the Thunder...hoof at the 2nd Daemon.
I intended for the 2nd picture to be ambiguous, like it was in the game.  I have no idea if the unit was in or out - and I still maintain that's not the point.  Assume in the picture above that it's close.

I took these shots this morning to replace the pics in the Bell article.  After talking with Larry, we determined it might do more harm than good.  Suffice it to say, I never for a moment had reason to doubt my opponent's motivation and sportsmanship.


GDMNW said...

Those are some lovely miniatures.

I think I'm with you on this. I like to do it Bloodbowl style. Once you've moved on to the next phase or stage. You've moved on.

We all forget, we all need to learn to remember.

DimmyK said...

He forgot u forgot... It happens he will be more careful next time

Mike Brandt; mvbrandt@gmail said...

Unit's only about 9.5" out ... kind of an obvious in, IMO.

I don't know if you let him - sounds like you didn't, but seems a pretty obv. oversight; the distance isn't like 12.1" or 11.9" ... it's equivalent to being only 4" away on a 6" charge, pretty eyeballably "in."


FWIW I always let opponents do these things after the fact, unless it's WAY after; if I can't beat someone straight up, I don't want to win b/c he forgot something. No point to winning then. YMMV - some people think they've won if their opponent simply goofed, but I'd rather have my opponent's best game and win anyway.

Mike Brandt; mvbrandt@gmail said...

Actually, I did my scales wrong - I'd say I'm wrong on the initial guesstimate, and that he's a fair bit over 12" away.

Either way ... why not just measure and find out if it woulda mattered?

I didn't read the whole bols article, as my feelings on the subject would have rendered it moot.

Not knocking you w/e you did - just, doesn't seem like a big deal. People forget things all the time; if he positioned for the charge and then simply forgot it, you're lowering the competitiveness of the game if you hold his forgetfulness against him. Challenge yourself, challenge him, blah blah etc.

Zheilt said...

I'm with Brent on this one. Motivation, intent, forgetfulness, sportsmanship, whatever, none of that really matters. The fact is that had he remembered, the entire phase could have gone drastically different and to let him make that move wouldn't be fair to either player.

Imagine that he was in range of the Daemon, but only if he didn't have to go around the bearers. If we let him charge out of turn, what should he do? Does he get to charge him because he's the only model left, even though it would have been an illegal charge during the proper phase?

In such a situation, the only good option is to redo the entire assault phase. Take back all the casualties he already did, return everyone to their original positions, and redo everything. Obviously that is quite undesirable in a tournament setting where time is a factor, so I think Brent made the right choice.

Carlos said...

Brent, you are a good guy and a good player. Why are you beating yourself up over this? Would’ a, should’ a, could’ a. We all ask ourselves these questions after the game, that reflection is what makes us better gamers. I think the general consciences is, this is a common error that we have all made and about a 50/50 split on whether or not it is a tournament acceptable decision. Don't feel guilty about the decision you made, it was yours to make. Remember my story from ‘Ard Boyz; I let shit slip and it came back to bite me in the ass. Would I do it again; yeah, but that is the kind of player I am. What kind of player are you? At the end of the day just remember it is a games of toy soldiers.

Anonymous said...

Dude, like carlos said, but more like toy animals/mutants/things. When you make a misplay, don't fret about it, just keep going, I haven't been playing long, and when I lose, I just take what I learned and carry it on to my next game.

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