Okay, so there are some obvious differences. For one, 40K is the primary game at the store; we all play it, some of us at a pretty high level. Better have the goods to back up the statement, yes? We knew what we were doing there, but this is a different animal.
CliffNotes: Brent yaks briefly about some thoughts on learning a new system.
...but this is a different animal.
The 40K build was a huge success. For those of us who stuck it out, we learned an new army from the ground up - in my case, that was Daemons, and there's not a doubt in my mind I can give anyone, anywhere a topnotch game. And I don't care how good they are, they'd better play well or I'll win.
That's arrogant/cocky/brash/egotistical - insert the word of your choice, but it's true. That's what almost a year of hard work and practice did for my game. I was good before; add discipline to that and you've got great.
So we're trying to apply the same logic to Warhammer... and at this point, I'll be happy if I can learn how to play with all the rules. The 40K project put a shine to my game - I just hope this teaches me one! After my first tournament in a long time, all I have to say is:
Crap, how hard is this going to be?
My army has something to do with my mood about it; I've chosen to play Tomb Kings and after today I think that's like saddling a weight to my leg and trying to swim. My decision was based primarily on interest and owning the models... and if I want to be honest, I know there's a new Army Book on the horizon.
Still, I have to admit I'm underwhelmed. Let's look at what I took.
My basic idea, after losing with traditional builds including archers and Screaming Skull Catapults, was doing an Undead Construct build. I took advantage of being able to fit in a Bone Giant, then added two Scorpions. My General is killy
Game 1, Vampire Counts: LOSE... a close loss
Game 2, Orcs, LOSE... a beatdown
Game 3, Dark Elves, LOSE... a beatdown
Game 4, Dwarves, WIN... a blowout
So much for that idea! I'll talk about each game individually at some point soon, but my general idea is Tomb Kings don't have enough in the tank to win consistently in 8th Edition.
Remember, my motto is Competitive is Consistent. I'm not here to win a Rock vs Scissors match. I'll leave that to other Internet Personalities. There are IP's out there who swear that's all 40K is; I don't buy it.
I really thought I'd have an edge in magic, what with having spells from 3 sources that auto work. The problem is my casting values are low and I give up, on average, 5 or so Dispel Dice. That's enough to shut me down in some cases. Even when spells get through, it's not enough quality magic. More on that another time.
More on it all another time. I'm tired!
Now, don't get me wrong here, I'm not quitting on this; I'm stubborn I am. I wanna learn and I'll put in the time and hard work. I'll find an angle.
As a matter of fact, I've got a cunning plan...
Good luck, Baldrick! Erm, I mean Brent!
ReplyDeleteBut damn you, the real reason I didn't participate in today's tournament was because you said YOU were going to win. Do you mean to tell me you were bluffing?
(Seriously though, I won first place in one category and third place in another at the cook-off today--better than I've ever done in a wargaming tournament. But I'm gunning for you at the next tourney, Brent!)
Tomb Kings have all kinds of problems in 8th, magic and the general crappiness of their units being the primary culprits.
ReplyDeleteHope you can figure something out, I've always liked TK myself.
I feel your pain. I chose to do Ogre's, and they were supposedly even worse than your TK last edition.
ReplyDeleteWe'll see how I do when I finally get down to my FLGS for a game...
I just recently played a game against tomb kings this week and I have to say that their magic is going to be really hard to really do anything with. during our six turn game my opponent managed to get only one spell off, I can't remember what it was, but I do know it didn't effect the outcome one bit. We were even playing the casket of souls wrong (for some reason he thought it was a shooting attack) and I still managed to rape him regardless. I'll be keeping an eye on your tomb kings as they progress so make sure to post a lot, I need to pass on any goodness I can to Jason (the tomb kings player) so he can step up his game too, because frankly it's just no fun steamrolling the 40k champ in fantasy nonstop. (ok... it is a little fun...)
ReplyDeleteA big thing to remember is that the game is designed to be played at 2k. Tomb Kings do not work in small games.
ReplyDeleteSome armies (Tomb Kings especially) do not scale well - I'm sure that if you actually played 2k, that you'll do much better.
Good luck with the new system!
Not really Anonymous. GW sources say it was designed to be played at 3k, or at LEAST 2500.
ReplyDeleteA plan so cunning that your head would explode if you even begun to know what you were talking about? lol!
ReplyDeleteI'm still wracking my brains as to what to squeeze into a 1500pt list against Dethtron's Empire. I added more Tomb Guard, and a Scorpion. But what spells???
Paul: it's sort of like a Black Adder bit...
ReplyDelete"You wouldn't know a cunning plan if it came up and sang three bars of 'I'm a cunning plan!'"